Cheney "Met With Nearly Complete Silence"
Hat tip to Needlenose for
the Cheney/Pombo photo
This afternoon, the Los Angeles Times published its account of Vice President Dick Cheney’s fundraising trip through California on behalf of three Republican Congressional candidates, including Richard Pombo. It contained the following report from inside Stockton’s Fox/Bob Hope Theater last night:
Cheney stuck to his practiced role as administration cheerleader and stiletto-wielding partisan. He lauded the economy's performance under President Bush and said the country is a safer and stronger place thanks to Bush's "sound decisions" over the past five years. He called the administration's warrantless wiretapping program "absolutely vital in saving American lives."So what are we to make of this stony response by the hard-core, big-buck Republican donors in CA-11?
And he all but accused Democrats of lending aid and comfort to terrorists, saying advocates of "a sudden withdrawal from Iraq are counseling the very kind of retreat that Osama bin Laden has been predicting and counting on."
The response was strikingly subdued, given the loyalties of his audiences. In Stockton, there were cheers and whoops as Cheney reeled off a tickertape of upbeat economic statistics. But his lengthy defense of the war in Iraq, his insistence "we are on the offense" and "have a clear plan for victory," was met with nearly complete silence.
Way back in October, Steve Filson addressed the San Ramon Valley Democratic Club and said, "It's about electability. If we wave the anti-war flag, we will lose. If we are too progressive, we will lose again." Now, there has been considerable debate since then, on this blog and elsewhere, over the question of whether Democrats in historically conservative-leaning districts should dare to call for either immediate or timed withdrawal from Iraq. Arguably, Filson has predicated his entire candidacy on his unwillingness to withdraw troops from Iraq until there is a “functional, inclusive, non-sectarian Iraqi government with an Iraqi military force able to quell domestic threats.” I mean, the ostensible raison d’etre for Ellen Tauscher, Rahm Emanuel and the DCCC to have inserted Filson into this race was the calculation that his “moderate/centrist” political views would appeal to conservative voters in CA-11. Since, in reality, just about the only substantive ideological daylight to be found between Steve Filson and Jerry McNerney is in their differing approaches to the Iraq War, we must assume that it is Filson’s refusal to “cut and run” that defines him as a “moderate."
But implicit in this debate has been the conventional wisdom that a majority Republican district encompassing a considerable portion of California’s Central Valley would be reluctant to support a candidate who was opposed to the continued indefinite presence of American troops in Iraq. Conventional wisdom has told Democrats that in order to win in a Republican-leaning district, we must camouflage our values. But what if the conventional wisdom is not just a little wrong, but a lot wrong?
Let me repeat this just for effect: “[Cheney’s] lengthy defense of the war in Iraq, his insistence ‘we are on the offense’ and ‘have a clear plan for victory,’ was met with nearly complete silence.” Silence from Republican supporters who had just paid $500 to be in the room with Cheney and Pombo. Now, if the Republican fat-cats are unhappy with the status quo in Iraq, where do you suppose the regular Republicans and the 15% Decline to States stand? Folks, it could be a whole new world out there, especially if Democrats find the courage to stand strong for their core beliefs and ideas instead of watering them down in the vague hope of broadening their appeal.
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Here's another relevant quote from the LA Times piece (emphasis mine):
Asked his opinion of Cheney, Richard Solarz, a 58-year-old physicist who lives in Pombo's district, replied: "Ummm … Uh … " He gripped his chardonnay. He paused. "I wish we weren't in Iraq," he finally said.
I recognized the name Richard Solarz from the AP report on the Cheney fundraiser. Here's what the AP article had to say about Richard Solarz:
Richard Solarz, a physicist from the upscale Bay Area suburb of Danville, gave $500 to attend Pombo’s fundraiser.
Pombo, he said, is approachable and plainspoken. He also supports him because of his seniority in Congress. “People don’t realize how important that is,” he said.
Now I'm not even going to pretend that this guy is in the universe of persuadable voters. Still I think it's interesting that a Republican from Danville (and a Pombo supporter to boot) seems more anti-war than the only credible Democrat from Danville.
CF,
I fully intend to respond to this in a larger post on the main page, but I want to make a couple comments here.
1) The fact that you characterize the Murtha Plan as "get out now" demonstrates that you are insufficiently familiar with the basic policy issues at hand to comment on them with much authority.
2) I reject your assertion that the Murtha Plan is "short on though and long on emotion/ideology." The Murtha Plan stems from the recognition of the basic fact that we cannot win the war in Iraq militarily. You are free to believe that this recognition presupposes a lack of analysis or sufficient thought, but your repetitive assertions to that effect certainly do not advance the discourse. And frankly, I think they betray a fundamental weakness in your position. Essentially you have created a straw argument in which those who disagree with you are simply superficial thinkers who don't have the intellectual fortitude to think things through. The Murtha Plan isn't something Murtha came to by reading it in a fortune cookie. It is a rational response to the belief that this war cannot be won militarily. And this belief is a rational conclusion given the evidence that exists.
3) Can you please stop characterizing those who favor a public timetable for withdrawal "irresponsible"?
If you think we have a responsibility to let our men and women in the Armed Services fight and die in Iraq, then by all means sign up and go risk your life and limb for your beliefs. I will pray for your safety and hope you don't get PTSD like one of my best friends. I will anxiously await your safe return and hope that you come back without any fingers burned off or blown off, that you have your sight and your hearing, that your nose is still attached to your face, and that you didn't do anything in the fog of war that will haunt you until the day you die.
But you know some of us think we have a responsibility to the members of the Armed Forces who are in harms way because of the decisions of our political leaders. And some of us even recognize a responsibility to the Iraqis. And there might even be a few of us who think (maybe that's not the right word because, after all, how good are we at thinking?) that this war in Iraq is making us less safer here. You know, we've spent hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq, and some of us think that our time and resources might be better spent doing something other than trying to put humpty dumpty back together again.
I'm just wondering how many mothers (myself included) would be offended (as I am) by being lumped together with Cindy Sheehan in being called an extremist. I'm also wondering if there is any more "extreme" emotional suffering a mother can have in life than losing a son.
I'm also wondering if just not agreeing with a Filson position gets you an "extremist" tag.
Seems to me that Pombo and his ilk are the extremists. Cindy is a grieving mother that wants to see that no more mothers suffer like she has, and if they do, it oughtta be for a true noble cause.
CF,
I appreciate your response although I think we still differ on the substance of the debate.
But with respect to the Murtha Plan, I think you need to understand that the GOP proposed a phony resolution nominally in line with the Murtha Plan that called for the troops to come home imediately. This GOP resolution omitted the caveats within the Murtha Plan, which are that the withdrawal should be consistent with the safety of the troops and that it should happen as quickly as practicable. There is a big difference between what the GOP proposed (to make the Dems look bad, not because the GOP supported the resolution) and what Murtha proposed. The difference in broad strokes is between simply evacuating the area (the GOP sham resolution) and unilaterally withdrawing in an organized and coordinated fashion. Furthermore, I think there is an implicit difference in the time frame people associate with the different plans. It would be consistent with Murtha's plan to make the decision today to have all of the troops out of Iraq within the next nine to twelve months. Thus, Murtha does not necessarily want to abbreviate the normal process of withdrawal, he simply wants to initiate it. And since the process will of necessity take some time, the various actors in Iraq will have a chance to prepare for life without the American military presence in the country. And since a lot of the actors in Iraq have a lot to lose if the American withdrawal results in a complete power vacuum, the fact that we have unilaterally initiated the process of withdrawal will incentivize those actors within Iraq to get their act together before we leave.
Also, FWIW, Murtha's Plan includes the presence of an over-the-horizon Marines rapid response force. Thus, we would retain some ability to project force into Iraq without keeping troops stationed within the borders of Iraq.
CF is suspect. I dismiss the entire comment based on the "Sheehan/Murtha comment.
Hey, CF your slip is showing.
Sheehan is entitled to her opinion, and a has a place of validity. She experiences this war at a heart wrenching and life changing level: a mother who has lost a child.
Murtha is entitled to and has earned a label of expert. To toss them into the same bag is a technique to devalue both arguments. You call it the "Sheehan/Murtha" camp.
Your language and the angle from which you argue attempts to devalue and diminish both of these positions.
At some point...don't you think people are going to tire from this attempt at manipulation? I know I do...
Well CF, it is either manipulative or passive agressive. Both are dubious.
Boring!!!! yawn.....
Isnt there anything more interesting to talk about? What about the two new shiny expensive, effective mailers the DCCC just paid for on behalf of Filson? They really are going to come in and buy this race.
Wait, are you guys talking about the same John Murtha who voted against an amendment that would have provided money for prosthetics research for our troops?
Mr. 2% of a buck again (and compared to Rahmbo, I really am a cheapskate)
After all, "jlou", you misunderstand what the DCCC can do for a candidate, or against their candidate's opponent in terms of the moolabomb they can drop as shown by these Form 24 submittals since just mid-April
1) George Wilson, running in OH-06 (Strickland's seat) got a nice assist of over $612,746 in IE moola, and
2) Francine Busby, running for the Dukester's old seat against Bilbray in CA-50, was tossed (sit down, people, sit down) over $1,413,399 (yes, you read that right -- more than what the Dickster himself has raised in net contributions) in IE moola from the Rahmster
3) Unfortunately, Filson, running in a contested Democratic primary (so the DCCC really shouldn't interfere, unlike the open contests such as CA-50) only got $5,600 in bluebacks (like greenbacks, but with donkeys on the back)
4) So, yes, Virginia, AND "jlou", the DCCC can most certainly help, but most likely not with those mailers you see on the site for Our Man on his Mission...
Your hard-earned DCCC donations at work (and they rag on Dean for HIS spending!)
$.02 out.
one might argue that the DCCC has paid for everything in the filson campaign.
after all, without the DCCC and elected support of tauscher, pelosi, etc., filson wouldn't have a nickel to his name.
Jlou --
You say, “The DCCC helps those who help themselves.”
An interesting play on “The Gods help those who help themselves.”
Now, it seems obvious that Steve Filson thinks of the DCCC as “gods,” and it seems even more obvious that Rahm Emanuel, Ellen Tauscher, and the DCCC think of themselves as gods. And woe to those Democrats who refuse to bow down before their power and worship them.
Of course, in literature the first time the phrase "The Gods help those who help themselves" appears is in the Aesop fable, ”Hercules and the Waggoner.” Now, maybe I just don’t understand the fable, but it seems to me like Aesop’s point was that the waggoner would be better served by working to solve his own problem than praying for the gods to rescue him.
And, you know, I kind of like that interpretation. Instead of praying, “O, DCCC, help me in this my hour of distress,” Democrats in CA-11 have taken matters into their own hands and are helping themselves.
And all they’ve ever asked is that the gods don’t interfere.
Yo all youse guys.
Rocky here. I jist wanna say dat at least dis here discussion is mostly civil, radder den duh usual Dem vs Dem diatoms.
Rocky don't know enough about dis Iraq ting - daesn't dat woid "Murtha" mean death in Spanish? Rocky mostly tink its time for our boys to come home as soon as possible, cuz dere's been enough Murtha over dere alreddy. Youse all gotta know what I mean, right?
Dat's one of duh reasons why Rocky and Adrian both supportin McNerney cuz he ain't afraid to come right out and say what he stands for. Wit all do respect Mr cf and Pretty Goil, it seem a little bit like Pretty Boy is trying to avoid taking a clear stand. Isn't dat what youse bobblin talkin heads call a waffle cone?
But don't get Rocky wrong, cuz Rocky appreciate dat Rickey decided to start takin on ButtaPombO radder den his fellow Dems or duh guys on dis blot which is a good ting. Rocky wanna say tanks Mr cf and Pretty Goil fer tawking to dat bum and gettin him to clean up his act and do sumtin constructive in duh two weeks remainin before duh here electron.
Rocky out. Good to hear from you Mr $.02 old buddy! And tanks fer answerin my question on duh Fightin Repug. Rocky like dat "Citrus Pete" name. You got dat woid patented? Can Rocky use it wit proper retribution?
Yo Pretty Goil,
Tanks for takin tissue wit Rocky's woids cuz its only wen you disagree wit sum one dat youse ever really loin sumtin, you know what I mean? Rocky also appreciates duh fact dat like Mr cf you disagree wit Rocky in a respectable way, so you oins his respect in return. It look like Pretty Boy did a good job raisin his kids so he can't be as bad as I taught he wuz on account of duh company he wuz keepin, but at least now he's keepin dis company off of dis here blot. Or he put a Pampers on him, which is the same ting.
Actually, Rocky don't claim to have all duh answers to the $64,000 questions dat wrecked Iwreq either. Maybe yer right and Pretty Boy is takin an honest stand and maybe Rocky shouln't oughta be calling Filson a waffle cone.
Accordianly, Rocky gonna retread dat statement.
Rocky out.
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